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Dr. Greg Bahnsen and Dr. Gordon Stein debated this question at the University of This debate has influenced a large number of people. This is the famous formal debate between Dr. Bahnsen and atheist promoter Dr. Gordon Stein held at the university of California (Irvine) in Hear how hard. Greg L. Bahnsen (September 17, – December 11, ) was an American Calvinist The debate with Stein marked one of the earliest uses of a transcendental argument for the existence of God (TAG). In a controversy emerged.

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Greg Bahnsen – Wikipedia

The debate was canceled. And how would you prove this?

If laws of logic are conventional in nature then you might have different societies that use different laws of logic. And for it as a bahnswn or system of thought and not for anything like theism in general. Most people believe in a god, therefore there is a god.

Does God Exist? Bahnsen vs Stein (Debate Transcript)

It says that the existence of miracles requires the presence of a supernatural force; that is a god. Bahnsen can we have a question please for Dr. And one of them is the problem of evil. I maintain in so doing he is borrowing my world view. The transcendental argument for the existence of God then which Dr.


Now if he were God he might reveal that to us as I think God has revealed certain things to us about the operation of the universe. Then we have the argument from miracles. Again this is begging the question. And that explains the logic?

The Great Debate | Greg Bahnsen vs. Gordon Stein

Then we have the moral argument, all people have moral values. The argument from life says life cannot originate from the random movement of atoms yet life exists.

Is it also… are extra-logical things absurd? What he seems to overlook is that this is just as much begging the question on his own part as it is on the part of the theists who appeal to such evidence.

While there, he completed his studies at USC, receiving his Ph. But you see these are philosophical questions which not just Christians by the way but all philosophers have had to ask and face throughout the centuries.

In fact, if we had a god we could very easily have an irrational god who did things capriciously so that if I threw a ball one time I thew it it would go up and the next time down and you know crashed straight down or soar right up. Have you read all the tests on electrons? gahnsen


And I would ask Dr. Will I relinquish my belief in god? For you see, within the theistic world the laws of logic make sense. He wondered how relevant it might be. Stein has stipulated his own. That is not at all acceptable philosophically.

As I understand it…. Protons repel each other. And therefore the very posing of the problem presupposes my worldview rather than his own.

The Great Debate | Greg Bahnsen vs. Gordon Stein – mp3/pdf

Just, again, wishful thinking. How do you know that? No it was intended to show that the last statement was disingenuous and… David Agopian: Never since then have we witnessed such a masterful presentation of presuppositional apologetics.